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Sword Liger · Apr 11, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

The games full of stupid horny teenagers lol what were you expecting, Anet have better things to do than keep track of "naughty names". Rise above it and ignore it.

Mournblade · Apr 11, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

I'm totally in agreement with the sentiment of this thread - I hate to be censored too. I hate political correctness. I think people should stop letting silly words hurt them and grow up. But you know, the funny thing is... This is a fantasy-themed game and if there weren't so many immature idiots screwing around then this wouldn't be an issue. Pick a name that is properly themed to the premise of the game and you won't have any problems.

elLOCOmutha · Apr 11, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Darcy

It's not so much political correctness as limiting words that lend themselves to abuse. The line between tongue-in-cheek amusing and offensive is subjective; what one persons thinks is funny, another will consider obscene.

ArenaNet takes a stand on what will or will not be accepted by banning names that they (as a company) consider offensive. When an unacceptable name is brought to their attention, by report, making a rank list, or standing in front of a GM, ANet acts. They do not have to explain nor defend their action - it's their game.

There are several guilds on the ladders that have amusing names that could be considered borderline. ANet has decided that they do not consider them offensive.

My advice, if you are trying to push the limit with a "cute" character or guild name, ask a 25yr+ adult for their opinion. Don't ask your peers. Don't ask your parents, they have parent viewpoints, but a grandparent or other relative is fine.

@elLOCOmutha - want to be free to say what you please in chat - form a party and use team chat. Trade spam is enough of a burden without being subjected to chat such as fantasy sex or racial comments.

Anet put a nice little tool in called a chat filter, if you are a person that gets offended when someone types something then it's as easy as "click" ...and you too could have a politically correct gaming experience online.

Harold Privatespot: Wow look at the body on that necro chick john! Awesome even for a toon..

John Longfellow: OMG! Yea she makes me digitally happy.

Susan: Please stop! You are ruining my gaming experience and my quality time playing a PC game online!

I am reporting you to Anet!

Your nicknames and the way you type in chat are totally inappropriate!

qdq_swi · Apr 11, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by elLOCOmutha

Anet put a nice little tool in called a chat filter, if you are a person that gets offended when someone types something then it's as easy as "click" ...and you too could have a politically correct gaming experience online.

Harold Privatespot: Wow look at the body on that necro chick john! Awesome even for a toon..

John Longfellow: OMG! Yea she makes me digitally happy.

Susan: Please stop! You are ruining my gaming experience and my quality time playing a PC game online!

I am reporting you to Anet!

Your nicknames and the way you type in chat are totally inappropriate!

Lool... I love your'e little example, it made me laugh.... but what kind of idiot would tell his freind (i.e. harold privatespot > john longfellow) that a toon was hot considering that Harold had the ability to WHISPER? Thus why the whisper feature may hav been added, to tell your'e freinds what you want them to know... but no one else.

And tbh... I honestly do doubt that that 'chick' was actually a 'chick', sooo the guy / girl, wtv, might not have been offended in a REAL situation..

P.s. I have never seen such a situation take place, probably never will...

And I would like to stress the fact that if you meet a random guy, in a random district and a random town, who has an offensive name, how should it affect you?? Leave him be... Its not as if this random person is targeting anyone, probably just for a laugh, unless your'e a sadist... and maybe watching this random guy get banned would be fun...

AND PLZ.... someone tell me when i lose this dam title ; Pre-Searing Cadet... Im hardly a newb... and I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE, maybe guru should stop titles alltogether? Putting people into certain groups / levels, i find disgracefull, one who has been around since the start of GW and has been on the site for a while, is no more knowledgable than someone who is quite new to the site but not to GW.

Div · Apr 11, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

It just disappoints me that ANet is now just taking action against [Vibe]. It's not like they didn't know about the guild name before (especially since they've been in previous tournaments), but they only took action when someone complained. It feels like if ANet knows about the name, and it didn't take action before, it shouldn't take action now that a few whiners are complaining about it. Reporting should only be for names (characters names or some uncommon guilds) that ANet does not know about and would ban if they found out about it. If a guild has been around as long as Vibe, they shouldn't get a second judgment from ANet.

qdq, you'll get rid of your presearing cadet thing once you reach a certain amount of posts. Search forum titles and you'll find how many posts is needed for each level.

**cosyfiep** · Apr 11, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Azagoth

I want to name my pet Tiger 'Bagpuss' yet I can't because it's deemed offensive. Yet I see people running around with racist names that would make Enoch Powell blush!

How's that fair? Or is it because ANet automatically assume that America is the birthplace of the English language and not England? Why should we suffer just because some other Country has bastardised our language?

It's the same with the spelling ingame. I have my game set to English, yet it I still get 'Honour' spelled as 'Honor' and 'Favour' spelled as 'Favor'. Now I'm sorry, but that isn't English in my books!

American english is what is being used (anet is in the usa), however; american english is becoming the acceptable form of english used in many other countries (I just got back from 2 years teaching enlgish in japan and yes we used american enlgish not british english, sorry).
American english is indeed becoming a separate language from its parent so maybe they should specify what type of english they are using (have the same problem with spanish---mexican, brazilian.....so we are not alone with these linguistic problems).

Lydz · Apr 11, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

I know about the English thing. My country (South Africa), uses British English and it's so frustrating having things spelt in American English, but anyway.

I really think that people with suggestive names should be banned. I mean, someone running around with the name "Pat Mygroin" is just wrong...

I just saw a guild recruiting called "Mhenlo Touches Little [BoYz]" (excuse me if we are not allowed to mention names...please notify me if I need to delete it ^^) That name is in no way NOT suggestive. I mean...it only really has one meaning...and that's a sick meaning

Realm of Fiery Doom · Apr 11, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Lydz

I know about the English thing. My country (South Africa), uses British English and it's so frustrating having things spelt in American English, but anyway.

I really think that people with suggestive names should be banned. I mean, someone running around with the name "Pat Mygroin" is just wrong...

I just saw a guild recruiting called "Mhenlo Touches Little [BoYz]" (excuse me if we are not allowed to mention names...please notify me if I need to delete it ^^) That name is in no way NOT suggestive. I mean...it only really has one meaning...and that's a sick meaning

1. I'm gonna make English American someday. Now that'll frustrate everyone!

2. Is that a real name of a toon!?! Haha !!!

3. It could be Healing Touch, or something else ...

Lydz · Apr 11, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Realm of Fiery Doom

1. I'm gonna make English American someday. Now that'll frustrate everyone!

2. Is that a real name of a toon!?! Haha !!!

3. It could be Healing Touch, or something else ...

LOL!

1. Who knows!

2. Nope...not a real name XD I saw that on Will and Grace but thought it would be a very appropriate example :P

3. Yes...it could...but you must be extremely stupid if you don't get what they're implying

elLOCOmutha · Apr 11, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by qdq_swi

Lool... I love your'e little example, it made me laugh.... but what kind of idiot would tell his freind (i.e. harold privatespot > john longfellow) that a toon was hot considering that Harold had the ability to WHISPER? Thus why the whisper feature may hav been added, to tell your'e freinds what you want them to know... but no one else.

And tbh... I honestly do doubt that that 'chick' was actually a 'chick', sooo the guy / girl, wtv, might not have been offended in a REAL situation..

P.s. I have never seen such a situation take place, probably never will...

And I would like to stress the fact that if you meet a random guy, in a random district and a random town, who has an offensive name, how should it affect you?? Leave him be... Its not as if this random person is targeting anyone, probably just for a laugh, unless your'e a sadist... and maybe watching this random guy get banned would be fun...

AND PLZ.... someone tell me when i lose this dam title ; Pre-Searing Cadet... Im hardly a newb... and I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE, maybe guru should stop titles alltogether? Putting people into certain groups / levels, i find disgracefull, one who has been around since the start of GW and has been on the site for a while, is no more knowledgable than someone who is quite new to the site but not to GW.

I have been around since beta and I have seen alot of what you call "situations" in public chat. My example was just a way to say...c'mon people lighten up and have some fun. Use the chat filter and if a nickname or chat offends you just ignore it and go about your business. I think Anet has more important things to do (making the game better, EOTN, GW2)...rather than slapping people on the wrist for a nickname and politically incorrect chat.

I think Anets focus should be on improving the game/games, hacker/cheaters and all around game security. All this whining about nicknames, chat and whatnot is in a word.... wasteful.

*Darcy* · Apr 11, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

No one is saying that comments about "hot" girls are the problem. You are over-simplifying the problem. What upsets people is when you are subjected to 20 minutes of the equivalent of phone sex.

Yes, you have the option to leave the district/town/outpost which is usually what players do in the end. But why should your game plans be changed due to such behavior? You are not the one breaking the rules.

Are you suggesting that, for example, if you are at a concert and someone seated near you is being loud and offensive to the extent you cannot hear the music, you should be the one to leave?

As for political correctness, I'm against it. It's a band-aid for cultural problems and does nothing to cure the problems.

ANET has the rules and enforces them in order to keep their T rating. Their dilemma is that the 13-15yr age group are the ones causing the problems.

elLOCOmutha · Apr 12, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

No one is saying that comments about "hot" girls are the problem. You are over-simplifying the problem. What upsets people is when you are subjected to 20 minutes of the equivalent of phone sex.

Yes, you have the option to leave the district/town/outpost which is usually what players do in the end. But why should your game plans be changed due to such behavior? You are not the one breaking the rules.

Are you suggesting that, for example, if you are at a concert and someone seated near you is being loud and offensive to the extent you cannot hear the music, you should be the one to leave?

As for political correctness, I'm against it. It's a band-aid for cultural problems and does nothing to cure the problems.

ANET has the rules and enforces them in order to keep their T rating. Their dilemma is that the 13-15yr age group are the ones causing the problems.

Phone sex...on chat? "click" filter..problem solved. Wow I just can't believe some people can't ignore certain things. I wouldn't go pointing the finger at any certain age group either...can you prove that it's younger players causing the "Phone sex" on chat?

I think you are complicating the problem..hmmm is there even a problem? I can't say I lose any sleep over things said on a PC game on the internet, I have more important things to worry about in real life and also I am too busy having fun to let others spoil my game time. It's the way of the world though...people need things to whine/complain about or they aren't so called "happy". These people probably aren't very happy in the real world either.

Doofledust · Apr 12, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

The problem is that people are breaking the rules. If people are allowed to break 'minor' rules routinely they see breaking 'major' rules as not that big a deal. Enforcement of all rules also known as 'zero tolerance' works.

People forget that there are other people controlling the characters running around in towns. It's not a faceless, machine 'internet', it's people. If you wouldn't behave that way in real life don't do it in your cyber life.

malko050987 · Apr 12, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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P.s. I have never seen such a situation take place, probably never will...

I have ^_^ I also complimented a very hot Female Necro on her attire once. My exact words were "You're hot

". *shrug* Did it through a whisper.

And when people chose characters, they chose the look that they think best, right? What's wrong on telling them that?

Of course, there's a difference between that and cybersex. ^_^

And about the Mhenlo name, I like it

Nice word play, amusing double meaning and it will definitely catch your eye when browsing the guild ladder. Most of the 13-15-yr-old won't really get it, so no worries there.

And those that get it are probably mature enough to enjoy the game without letting something like this spoil it.

Caoimhe · Apr 12, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

The problem is very, very simple: Sheeple refuse to think for themselves anymore.

"OMG that name is offensive! I'm reporting you to NCSoft!"

I mean, come ON. That's no different than "I'm telling mom!"

But no, rather than encourage anyone to be personally responsible for their own stuff, we're going to instead make the company that hosts the game do all the work, then slam the tapioca out of 'em when they can't keep up. We have come to the point when we are allowing ourselves to be legislated away from our brains.

Offensive name in chat? TURN LOCAL OFF. Offensive content in chat? TURN LOCAL OFF. Offensive behavior in a zone? TURN EMOTES OFF or FIND ANOTHER ZONE. Having a conversation in local and being interrupted? Team up, or "ignore" the intruders.

There are ways around many "inconveniences" in game, but it seems there are more who'd rather run to mommy than take the extra ten seconds out of their lives to work around the problem.

Overall immaturity, ftl.

Traveller · Apr 12, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Caoimhe

There are ways around many "inconveniences" in game, but it seems there are more who'd rather run to mommy than take the extra ten seconds out of their lives to work around the problem.

Overall immaturity, ftl.

I disagree that "Out of sight, out of mind" is the right kind of solution to these problems. If I put local chat off, it won't remove the morons and spammers from the zone, it just removes them from my sight. But you're right, it won't take more than a moment to put in a support ticket.

I have reported a few names myself, most of which have been very offensive in Finnish thus not "caught" by the naming censor.

Caoimhe · Apr 12, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Trav, I don't disagree with you in theory, but I find it a little like offensive television or radio - we DO have the power to turn it off or change the station. What worries me is the trend that many seem to be following that suggests that fixing the "problem children" is someone else's job.

If we turn off local/use the ignore feature, we take away the juveniles' audience, and therefore, whatever "power" they might feel they get by getting a rise out of someone.

hallucinoJEN · Apr 14, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

why should the majority change for a small group of people who find these things offensive?

if you find these petty things offensive, then you don't want to know what my character names are. Of course, not many people have realized that they were dirty names. apparently, people are not familier with scientific names for body parts. LOL! :P

Apr 11, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30	#31
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	No one is saying that comments about "hot" girls are the problem. You are over-simplifying the problem. What upsets people is when you are subjected to 20 minutes of the equivalent of phone sex. Yes, you have the option to leave the district/town/outpost which is usually what players do in the end. But why should your game plans be changed due to such behavior? You are not the one breaking the rules. Are you suggesting that, for example, if you are at a concert and someone seated near you is being loud and offensive to the extent you cannot hear the music, you should be the one to leave? As for political correctness, I'm against it. It's a band-aid for cultural problems and does nothing to cure the problems. ANET has the rules and enforces them in order to keep their T rating. Their dilemma is that the 13-15yr age group are the ones causing the problems. Last edited by Darcy; Apr 11, 2007 at 11:33 PM // 23:33..

Apr 11, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52	#21
Sword Liger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London Guild: Valendra's Kingdom [VK] Profession: W/E	The games full of stupid horny teenagers lol what were you expecting, Anet have better things to do than keep track of "naughty names". Rise above it and ignore it.

Apr 11, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01	#22
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	I'm totally in agreement with the sentiment of this thread - I hate to be censored too. I hate political correctness. I think people should stop letting silly words hurt them and grow up. But you know, the funny thing is... This is a fantasy-themed game and if there weren't so many immature idiots screwing around then this wouldn't be an issue. Pick a name that is properly themed to the premise of the game and you won't have any problems.

Apr 11, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#25
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	It just disappoints me that ANet is now just taking action against [Vibe]. It's not like they didn't know about the guild name before (especially since they've been in previous tournaments), but they only took action when someone complained. It feels like if ANet knows about the name, and it didn't take action before, it shouldn't take action now that a few whiners are complaining about it. Reporting should only be for names (characters names or some uncommon guilds) that ANet does not know about and would ban if they found out about it. If a guild has been around as long as Vibe, they shouldn't get a second judgment from ANet. qdq, you'll get rid of your presearing cadet thing once you reach a certain amount of posts. Search forum titles and you'll find how many posts is needed for each level.

Apr 11, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01	#27
Lydz Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Guild: The Crazy Dragons [TCD] Profession: E/Mo	I know about the English thing. My country (South Africa), uses British English and it's so frustrating having things spelt in American English, but anyway. I really think that people with suggestive names should be banned. I mean, someone running around with the name "Pat Mygroin" is just wrong... I just saw a guild recruiting called "Mhenlo Touches Little [BoYz]" (excuse me if we are not allowed to mention names...please notify me if I need to delete it ^^) That name is in no way NOT suggestive. I mean...it only really has one meaning...and that's a sick meaning

Apr 12, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38	#33
Doofledust Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006	The problem is that people are breaking the rules. If people are allowed to break 'minor' rules routinely they see breaking 'major' rules as not that big a deal. Enforcement of all rules also known as 'zero tolerance' works. People forget that there are other people controlling the characters running around in towns. It's not a faceless, machine 'internet', it's people. If you wouldn't behave that way in real life don't do it in your cyber life.

Apr 12, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15	#35
Caoimhe Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006	The problem is very, very simple: Sheeple refuse to think for themselves anymore. "OMG that name is offensive! I'm reporting you to NCSoft!" I mean, come ON. That's no different than "I'm telling mom!" But no, rather than encourage anyone to be personally responsible for their own stuff, we're going to instead make the company that hosts the game do all the work, then slam the tapioca out of 'em when they can't keep up. We have come to the point when we are allowing ourselves to be legislated away from our brains. Offensive name in chat? TURN LOCAL OFF. Offensive content in chat? TURN LOCAL OFF. Offensive behavior in a zone? TURN EMOTES OFF or FIND ANOTHER ZONE. Having a conversation in local and being interrupted? Team up, or "ignore" the intruders. There are ways around many "inconveniences" in game, but it seems there are more who'd rather run to mommy than take the extra ten seconds out of their lives to work around the problem. Overall immaturity, ftl.

Apr 12, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#37
Caoimhe Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006	Trav, I don't disagree with you in theory, but I find it a little like offensive television or radio - we DO have the power to turn it off or change the station. What worries me is the trend that many seem to be following that suggests that fixing the "problem children" is someone else's job. If we turn off local/use the ignore feature, we take away the juveniles' audience, and therefore, whatever "power" they might feel they get by getting a rise out of someone.

Apr 14, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42	#38
hallucinoJEN Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Gangs of America Profession: N/Mo	why should the majority change for a small group of people who find these things offensive? if you find these petty things offensive, then you don't want to know what my character names are. Of course, not many people have realized that they were dirty names. apparently, people are not familier with scientific names for body parts. LOL! :P